Water For Gas Dry Cell System

This post was written by Jim on February 18, 2011
Posted Under: Building The Hydrogen Boioster,Ping.fm,water for gas,Water Hybrids

This is a Dry Cell System from Advance HHO . it is a mid-level  water for gas system for 6 cylinder cars, that is cars with a larger engine than 1.5 up to 3.5 liters. The cost is higher as well, Advance HHO sells the complete system for $549.95 . When I say complete system I believe it is a complete system. All you do is add the distilled water and the packet of potassium that is included hook up with the help of a mechanic (or do it yourself from the clearly written instructions that are provided with the system)  and you are on your way to saving money.

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The technology used in this water for gas system  is advanced from the simple water for gas generator using a one quart fruit jar with simple terminals wound with either 304 wire or nickel plated wire  which is the same wire used by Dentists to wire up braces,

Probably the best  plates to use in the dry cell type of system would be  nickel plates but unfortunately they are prohibitive to purchase so stainless steel 316L is  the most reasonable plates to use. This Dry Cell is more sophisticated  with the stainless steel plates being at least 316L, a higher corrosion proof and stronger stainless steel for longer action  during the electrolysis. Most studies concur that plate area plus terminal spacing plus a modulated pulsing electrical current will equal a higher per plate production of gas. I would think that the spacing here is at least 5 mm or better since current is rated at 12 amps minimum with capacity to achieve greater amps thus additional production of gas. This is a work horse type of dry cell system, speaking of the DC 450,  not pretty but a solid dependable electrolysis unit.

Not changed is that distilled water is usually the liquid of choice along with a catalyst to speed up the fractionation. The older system used soda bicarbonate (baking soda) to get the reaction going along with the direct current draw from the car’s battery. This time an alkaline, NAOH or KOH is recommended which  allows the electrolysis and the electrical current to be lower in more of a stable state. What I am trying to say is that it doesn’t take as much electricity used with an alkaline catalyst to produce more oxyhydogen gas with less effort. Also the water stays clearer  longer and doesn’t turn to sludge in the canister But of course in this system you will not see the water bubbling and the gas forming.My last comment is about the type of electrical flow. When your car’s battery is used as the prime electrical source please do make sure that you wiring goes through the ignition. Why? So that when you turn off the switch, the dry cell is also off and gas isn’t continuing to generate. A safety feature that you should insist upon.

Before I forget it, I would think that each of the plates in the dry cell are sandpapered to add additional attachment points for the gas.  The company says that this unit will generate at least 800 ml of gas at 12 amps of power.  Spacing between the plates is always a critical element in construction.. Normally most effective dry cells have to have spacing of at least 5mm to a max of 8mm. This one is 5mm I believe.

The last comment that I want to make concerns the use of a flash chip versus the standard EFIE.  Please understand that my generation was not particularly computer literate or knowledgeable about computers or software. If you take that into consideration then you will understand my  hesitation in suggesting a flash chip to change the AFR in  the car’s computer. There are a bunch (I am a non-technical sort of person)  so a bunch is several  algorithms that are a part of the car’s basic computer. Not only is there a standard Air to Fuel Ratio of 14.7 to 1 as the standard  baseline for air and fuel mixes which is the lean portion but there is also a rich standard of 7 to 1 that is the rich portion that sends more gasoline to the combustion chamber. This is true for a fuel injected vehicle but not for an older carburetor type vehicle. Anyway changing one algorithm means that others are changed as well and once changed you might have some problems  returning to the original factory standard.  Adding to this question is the potential problem of change and your car’s warranty. I am not an attorney so I will not attempt to discuss that situation but you need to keep that issue in your mind before making a change.  Having said that and again I am not a computer type individual so it may just be a straw man with no basis behind it. I have not researched flash chips on the web but you should before making any lasting changes to your car’s computer,

The EFIE however I can discuss. I like them because they deal directly with the car’s oxygen sensors which is the prime culprit controlling the AFR and  keeping you from enjoying a continuing “lean” situation. .The use of efie’s are well documented  in the literature  and are a safe way to deal with the oxygen sensor output.  The digitals are the best in my estimation, easier to handle and with adjustable dials for adding or decreasing the wave length. The Efie Max is one of the better ones. The use of the efie is easy and because the sensors wave length to the computer is added to by the efie there is no permanent change  made to the car’s computer. As a matter of fact the efie is so powerful that it is able to run your car so lean that the car chokes and stops from lack of gasoline in the combustion chamber. You obviously do not ever want to do this and  the Effie shouldn’t  even be operated without the cooling effects of the hydrogen generator. They both go together in a perfect water for gas system.

Well I can’t think of much else to say about this mid-level water for gas system.  Take a look at it and remember my suggestions and advice . Thanks for visiting tapwaterforgas.com  I have two items that are free, a primer ebook about water for gas systems and a detailed construction plan for a dry cell. The ebook I wrote, the dry cell plans somehow wound up on my desktop and I will share it with you but am not the author. Drop me an email at jimclay1153@gmail.com and I will send them to you. All the best, Jim  

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